Conroy: Turnbull just opposes everything

Conroy continues to play the man and not the ball. Instead of abuse leveied at Turnball how about Conroy actually argues the substance of the issue? Or is that impossible for him because he knows economically he has no ground to stand on?

And John above what you say is Rubbish. Turnball is not just "opposing" (it's a facile criticism). He wrote an excellent on the ABC website setting out the problems he sees with the NBN. Any debate (as opposed to mindless abuse) with Turnball on the issue should have a lpook at the 8 issues he raised in this article and take logical issue with them.

Mark Harrigan: You are joking, right? You talk about mindless abuse? Just look at the stream of abuse, attacks and streaming 24x7 mindless opposition from Abbott and Turnbull.

They cannot find anything, not one iota of positives in anything the current govt does.

They would take logical issue with the issues if there was debate, but there is no *debate* with Abbott and Turbull Mark, there is simply and only responding to a continuous stream of attack, accusations, doomsday presumptions, calls for bringing down the govt as quickly as possible, destruction of the NBN and opposition to anything the govt does.

Continuous and unrelenting. No constructive co-operation, simpply and only demands, demands, demands. Challenges, accustaions, denigration.

They keep rabbitting on about $43billion, when a heads of agreement to reduce that by a minimum $9billion already exists and is blocked by.... wait for it.... hold your breath... do not go blue now... the opposition opposition opposition...

The coalition that is desperate to maintain the Telstra monopoly they protected for 11 years in govt, that fears a successful NBN and a successful Conroy, that has blocked the Telstra related legislation for 8 months.

The telecoms industry is just collateral damage to them as they seek any way possible to bring down the govt.

Turnbull sees problems with everything, and opposes everything. This fellow who was an investing merchant banker in this industry in the early 90s, when it was all so easy... (That's his deep industry knowledge??)

So before the label someone else's comment as rubbish with a captial *R*, which demonstrates a mindset so common with the opposing opposition of Abbott and Turnbull, you might wish to take your own advice and argue the substance of the issue, as there is none in your post.

Turnbull sees problems with the NBN alright:

1. If successful he stays in opposition for another 6 years
2. He has zero experience with such roll-outs
3. He is not the mechant banker on the deal
4. Quigley has forgotten more about such projects than Turnbull has ever understood
5. Wayne Gretch (remember him and all of Turnbull's claims???) is not working as a *mole* inside the NBN for him...

There is a very good reason the coalition dumped Turnbull as leader: His outrageous tilts to overy aggressive, mindless and unsubstantiated accusations, shamelessly and embarrassingly denigrating the character and positions of his oppponents.

Ring a bell here somewhere Mr Harrigan, sounding familiar?

Mark Harrigan
May I trouble you for the link to the article you mention.
I saw a report and could not find either evidence or logic for his criticism of the NBN.
Re your criticism of Conroy, you may be correct but what we see is the reporters take and the response to a reporters questions which are too often targeted to elicit that kind of response. If you dig deeper you will find the detail and the reasons. Economically Conroy stands very well just as the Labour government on the GFC, so much so that the opposition is unable to give any real alternative and are reduced to nitpicking.

The value of the nitpicking we are seeing is that it is opinion based not evidence based and that is what the opposition is reduced to, they can make anything up and present it as fact but it is not! Sooner or later people start asking questions.

@Mark Harrigan
What I really, really want to see from Malcolm and the Coalition is their alternate VISION to propel big (physically) Australia forward in the next decade using and exploiting internet technologies.

So far I don't see any (other than who needs 100Mbps when 8Mbps is sufficient - Malcolm Turnbull) unless I am missing something. Malcolm might not understand or envision the enriching stuff we can do with high speed reliable bandwidth.

Yes, the cost runs into billions of dollars. No one like it. But if the study says it is an good investment in the LONG HAUL, the nation has to haul up its ass and get on with investing and building this information superhighway with fibre as the technology most (not all) comm experts think it is the way forward.

I recall those days when consumers were thrilled with 64KB dial-ups, then thrilled with 1Mbps connection and trip over when ADSL came along. It is now ADSL2+. Now, telcos can potentially market ADSL at a lower price to consumer but they don't because there is very little demand for it, never mind the low price. In short consumer expectations, expectations.

Mark, please try see the forest from the trees. This nation needs VISION. In any implementation this large there are bound to be missteps and we all recognise some issues has to be managed when it arises as we can't anticipate all issues.

Thus it is fair for Malcolm to raise issues but please do not run down NBN when the Coalition lacks an alternate VISION in this area.