Enex Testlab: ISP filtering trial is up to scratch
- 09 August, 2009 07:01
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The testing company conducting the Federal Government's controversial ISP filtering trial, Enex TestLab, has hit out at claims its methodology is faulty.
Late last month ARN reported the majority of ISPs had completed their ISP trials and used an opt-in system for selecting participants.
One expert in statistics described the method as “about the worst way you can do it”, with another senior lecturer from the Queensland University of Technology saying he would not have confidence in the results because of it.
The controversial ISP filtering trial involves nine companies, began in May 2009 and was formulated and run by Melbourne-based Enex TestLab.
Principal at Enex TestLab, Matt Tett, was not able to confirm or deny any of the information provided in ARN's articles and said his organisation’s hands were tied because of a confidentiality agreement.
But he was adamant that the criticism of Enex’s methodology was incorrect.
“There does appear to be some speculation, hearsay and re-hashing/re-distribution of unverified information in relation to Enex’ involvement in the project, naturally this is to be expected with such an ethically/politically emotive subject,” he said in an email.
“To say, however, that the methodology that we have used in the ISP filter trial is lacking, or flawed is incorrect.
“Enex TestLab, as always, remains independent, neutral and approaches all projects with an un-biased scientific approach ensuring that all our methodologies are subjectively constructed to ensure accuracy in the data collected and therefore the results produced, we apply peer-review and confidence factors to our analysis.”
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Anonymous
Filter results
Well they would say that!
Anonymous
Flawed sampling
I wonder of Exec TestLab would care to explain how they scientifically selected their random sample of filtering victims?
How could any supposedly reputable lab engage in a process with a fundamentally flawed population sampling method? Could they have subjugated their scientific principles just because the money was too good?
\\ apprentice //
Test Results
Just to confirm the FACTS
1/ The trial was opt. in only
2/ No high volume sites were included in the test
3/ Very small number of participants involved
4/ Numerous participants actually opted out of the trial
5/ The Minister will release the results not Enex
6/ Sites on the list Enex used are legal content
"we apply peer-review "
You have been reviewed, result = FAIL
Anonymous
peer review?
"“Enex TestLab, as always, remains independent"
if they were truly independant they wouldn't have signed a non-dislcosure agreement.
"we apply peer-review and confidence factors to our analysis.” "
How can you apply peer review (ie: review by independant scholars) when you aren't allowed to release the results. The independant statisticians who have commented ARE the peers that shoud be reviewing the process, you can't have in-house peer review.
"To say, however, that the methodology that we have used in the ISP filter trial is lacking, or flawed is incorrect."
The independant peers who review work have already said it is flawed. oh dear, fail on so many levels it laughable.
Mark Newton
Enex misses the point
I can contract Enex Testlab to deliver scientifically-valid, peer-reviewed, methodologically-sound evidence that oxides of copper are green in colour.
Nobody would argue with those findings, they're as straightforward and provable as anything else.
But then I could take those findings, wrapped in a confidentiality clause which prevents Enex from talking about them, then publish a report which says Enex reckons copper oxides are green, and water tends to have traces of copper oxides in it, therefore water is green in colour.
Everyone knows that's a load a rubbish.
If we had access to the raw Enex research behind the report, we'd be able to see that the quantity of copper oxide required to turn water green is thousands of times greater than the usual naturally occurring quantities, but we wouldn't be able to do that analysis due to the confidentiality agreement.
That's what's happening here.
I have no doubt that Enex is performing its function according to their principles and the terms of the contract.
But we won't get to see their output, and the Government will be releasing a report containing politically motivated conclusions that everyone knows is false, and they'll claim, without evidence, that those conclusions are drawn from the Enex testing.
The Government will expect us to believe that they can roll out an NBN with 100 Mbps connectivity to 8 million households without significant negative impact from censorship systems -- Even though such a feat has never been attempted anywhere in the world before, and even though Enex hasn't tested it, even though no vendors anywhere in the world have products designed to accomplish such an outcome, and even though the technical requirements of the test don't require detailed examination of anything faster than 12 Mbps.
This isn't Enex's fault, it's the fault of a Government which claims to be engaged in "evidence-based policy development" whilst concocting the evidence.
- mark
Anthony
Enex consider a test that uses opt-in, low user, low data volume testing, to be a sound methodology to test a system that will be mandatory, apply to every internet user in the country and high data volume sites.... yeah, right!!!
First time I've ever heard that testing 15 people at an ISP is the same as applying the test to 7 million internet users.
The TV ratings use higher numbers for testing and we all know how flawed those are.
acdcfan
So why is it then that the Government dept. is writing the report instead of Enex.Is there something to hide?
Ahh, yes ..... The gag order by the Government. So much of your transparency
Eddie
Enex, how on Earth can you defend the trial? The testing framework released by the government shows how poorly the trial's being conducted. The methodology is incredibly poor and there's no proper scientific testing.
I hope Enex realise they've damaged their credibility by conducting such an obviously flawed trial. If censorship is mandated, then Enex should hang their heads in shame for helping the government to implement it.
Steven
Enex's credibility just dropped a few more notches
In the past I was willing to assume that Enex were just doing what DBCDE wanted them to do because they had a contract that said they had to - if they are now defending such a fundamentally flawed testing regime then they are clearly as incompetent and complicit as the censorship opponents have suggested!
If RMIT are interested in their own reputation I would seriously recommend that they cut all ties with Enex ASAP...
Rant, Rot & Ruin
It gets worse.
I've said before that Enex' position is thus:
"Since our testing methodologies are hidden behind Non-Disclosure Agreements and Commerical In Confidence, we're immune to peer review; ergo these academics can't possibly be talking about us; ergo our excrement still smells like roses."
But it gets even better! From the article, I quote:
"we apply peer-review and confidence factors to our analysis"
Enex are applying peer-review to themselves!? Did the definition of peer-review change last week??
I previously stated that Enex should choose their bedfellows carefully, because you never know what they'll catch from them. I guess we now know.
Congratulations, Enex, you are now as scientifically credible as a Creationist.
CW
Does Enex object to DBCDE releasing the report in full?
A very interesting position Enex find themself in. Their credibility as a scientific test laboratory is now entwined with the political machinations of the DBCDE and the government. As the saying goes, "Lay down with dogs and get up with fleas."
Enex claim to have used scientific methods for the report, however they have forgotten one critical aspect, the publishing of their finding for review by their peers.
Senator Conroy has demonstrated most times he has spoken publicy about Internet filtering that he doesn't even have a complete grasp of legislation surrounding this issue. Why does he think the public will trust him to interpret the Enex report correctly?
As Bertrand Russell once said, "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
Matt Tett, does Enex object to the DBCDE releasing the report in full and unedited?
If authorised by the DBCDE will Enex release the report for public scrutiny?
If Enex has confidence in the methodology there is one simple way to restore the public's confidence, release the report in full.
Enex have secured close to, or even in excess of $1 Million of public monies to conduct trials and testing of ISP based Internet filtering over the years. The only way to prove the integrity of the report is to release it to the public.
stavros-59
And they can prove pigs fly as well!
There was no published specification, testing methodology or design criteria for the trial. The testing ISPs were not required to conduct tests under identical conditions. How can Enex claim any academic credibility for any testing they may have done. In the time scales involved I'd even question what testing could have been done.
Four of the testing ISPs used the product of a single vendor. Any results could be interpreted as a simple test of a single product. I'd say Watchdog (possibly Marshal8e6) just got a free sales pitch written for them by a previously reputable academic organisation.
The fact that Enex was prepared to conduct their contracted works under a non disclosure agreement and allow a different organisation to write the report smacks of providing "correct" answers in exchange for payment. In fact, what did Enex actually do for the $887,000 noted on the DBCDE site?
Many of the critics of this proposal work in the same fields as Enex. Enex may live to regret "selling their soul for pieces of silver".
Anonymous
Enex Testlab
What right does a Government have to censorship our Ip's in a free country, When China made Google bow to this, I lost all respect for google what so ever!!
Funny I mostly use the net for Linux, In this Linux forum about 2 months a user posted a nice desktop background, so I followed the Url link and it was black listed. Really now come on it was a nice typical modern computer type background, So I used my networking background and bypassed the block and had a look at the site that was being block, and well after viewing about 300 photo's I found 2-3 of women without tops on, hey you can see that at our beaches and and thats legal. So what gives?
As for censorship and pirate movies and audio, Trading of music started in the 50's with 8-track tapes, trading of movies started win the early 30's with reel2reel movies, I do not know anybody who had a commodore 64 and didn't trade floppies. I think if the majority of people in Australia have trade a tape/movie/cd/dvd/vhs/8-track etc at least once in there lives, then they all broke the law and everybody should have a criminal record including the prime minister! I'm sure rud has done one of those things. Really what we need is a new political party that isn't big business butt kissing, The western world is based on majority rules, 50+1%, so if we had a vote on software/music/video p2p trading it would pass with a very high yes. So rud if your reading this, come next election, you won't be getting my vote!! Sorry you the previous election you did have it, but this great wall of Australia has to go, We are free and not govern by a bunch of communist. Well I hope not.
Anonymous
I would imagine that most of Enex's prospective customers are not as scientifically inept as Stephen Conroy, and are watching these events very cautiously. Their scientific credibility is falling apart as we speak.
NDA or not, "just trust us" doesn't justify dodgy science.
And even if they are a success, what does that tell us? That opt-in filters work. Fantastic, implement them and everyone but the 21st century book-burners will be happy.
Anonymous
Stunning, this is the sillist waste of money I have ever seen, any person with reasonable knowledge can get round these silly filtering systems, I have proved how to at many companys over many years, because of the what has to allowed there is no to stop people from bypassing them, and who are they really trying to protect?
This is nothing more than another "fuelwatch" or "grocery watch" it will run for while waste a major amount of money get 100's of 1000"s of complaints then get shut down due to the inability to run it without major flaws appearing ALL the time.
What a waste, I acutally voted for these fools last time around, what a mistake that was.
DG
What a waste of Time and Money
Stunning, this is the sillist waste of money I have ever seen, any person with reasonable knowledge can get round these silly filtering systems, I have proved how to at many companys over many years, because of the what has to allowed there is no to stop people from bypassing them, and who are they really trying to protect?
This is nothing more than another "fuelwatch" or "grocery watch" it will run for while waste a major amount of money get 100's of 1000"s of complaints then get shut down due to the inability to run it without major flaws appearing ALL the time.
What a waste, I acutally voted for these fools last time around, what a mistake that was.
Denis
peer reviewed?
"we apply peer-review and confidence factors to our analysis."
how the hell are the results from the 'trials' peer-reviewed when there is a non-disclosure agreement with the government? you can't peer review results in house... it requires peers from outside sources. the trials were a farce and enex testlabs should never have agreed to perform them if they wanted their integrity to stay intact.
Anonymous
This hole thing reeks, what would be the purpose of making a filtering test private in a democratic country.... other then bsing the public into proving the impossible is possible. Who could possibly benefit from that information?
Besides if its going to be implemented anyway why cant we all see the results of how badly we will be shafted?
Anonymous
Enex TestLab
Way to jump to conclusions guys, and shoot the messenger before any announcement has been made.
-Ming
V for Vendetta
Why Enex Cannot be Trusted
Enex says "you are not allowed to question our methodology" yet we, those affected most by it, are not allowed to know what that methodology is.
Welcome to Senator Conroy's world of censorship. This is a taste of what is to come.
To Enex I simply ask: Why should we trust you when you participate and perpetuate censorship?
The answer is simple: We cannot Enex nor anybody else who proposes to censor material under the shroud of secrecy.
Free Thinker
Enex tests
First the Anti-Censorship Mob said that it's technically impossible to filter the internet (that's funny, it worked so well when Exetel tried it ;-)), then when it's in the process of being clinically trialled and proven they winge about it being "rigged".
Looks like the wheels are falling off your cart, boys...LOL...still, you've always got the Totalitarian Government Conspiracy to fall back on..ha,ha
Mostly Anonymous
Re: Enex tests
Dear Free Thinker, I'm intrigued by your gloating. What makes you think Exetel performed any sort of valid test? It seemed to me to be ill conceived, poorly executed, and swiftly forgotten.
Why do you think the current government "trial" has any sort of validity? For a start, there have been no published metrics for success, so anything can be made up after the fact with the intention of claiming any and all possible results as a success. This is consistent with a whitewash, not with valid scientific testing.
And as for conspiracies, when it is plainly obvious that the internet censorship proposal won't prevent child abuse, won't prevent bullying, won't improve anybody's morals, and won't do a thing to stop spam and virus attacks, you have to wonder what it can actually be used for. I think it's more reasonable to believe that it is intended as a mechanism to suppress free speech (on such topics as euthanasia and abortion) rather than any of the stated aims, since the stated aims cannot be achieved. Call this a conspiracy, if you like, but it's plain the minister is not being honest with us, or perhaps even with himself.
In short, your gleeful attitude seems misplaced. It is odd that you should be so cheerful when your tax dollars are being wasted on such a preposterous folly.
Anonymous
Dont you all see, they're doing us a favour, saving us from all those internet "nasties". I mean none of us can actually choose, we are all to dim witted, better to let those "smarter and better" than us to decide what is moral or ethical.
Cant wait till the government decides what i am wearing and how many times i should crap each day. Give it a couple more years. . . .
Anonymous
Laughable..
Free thinker? Funny, I thought the hall mark of free thinking is questioning the party line rather than lockstepping with it...
NDA? No transparency? Come on, if the tests were glowingly positive and performed under strict blind or double blind methodology, Conjob and Enex would be publishing the results for all to see...
The fact that the report has to be manufactured by someone other than the tester just proves that Enex's testing is not robust, not peer reviewable (how can you review what you can't see) and is, in short, not valid.
If this filter does come online, you 'free thinkers' will start wailing and gnashing your teeth and asking "WHY OH WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TEST THIS PROPERLY AND KILL IT?!?!?". By then it'll be too late of course. Small consolation for those of us who don't believe the party line but if I'm going to hell in a hand basket, I'm going to make the most of it by laughing at those who expected to go to some sort of nanny state heaven...
Anonymous
enex
Free thinker do you believe in the tooth fairy? i guess if rudd said it existed you would
Sam Johnston
A word on the Australian Internet censorship scandal
I've had a quick scan over Senator Stephen Conroy's infamous, long-awaited report on the efficacy of current Internet filtering technology and find it to be nothing short of scandalous. Without getting into the nitty gritty details (for example, how a filtering solution can achieve the impossible by improving rather than degrading the performance of encrypted, random transfers), it reads like it's a whitepaper for one of the various purveyors of censorship technology.
The cynic in me insisted I take a quick look at who these Enex Pty Ltd jabbers are anyway - who knows, they could be an industry lobby group for all we know. Sure enough, a quick look at their corporate client list reveals (based on some quick Google searching) over a dozen companies who make a living selling commercial censorship technology:
Anthology Solutions
Content Keeper Technologies
Content Watch
F-Secure Corporation
Internet Sheriff Technology
Manaccom
MessageLabs
NetBox Blue
Netgear
Netsweeper
PC Tools Software
Raritan (?)
Secure Computing Corporation (McAfee)
Symantec
Trend Micro
To put things in perspective, this represents around a quarter of their published client list, and that's not including half a dozen or so service providers that could arguably be thrown in with this bunch. Who in their right mind would risk upsetting one in four of their paying customers by writing a report critical of their products? And does anyone really believe that these vendors resisted the urge to apply pressure? Or that there were not personal relationships involved? I don't, not for a second. In my opinion this report was rigged from the outset to succeed, and in doing so deprive Australians of essential civil liberties.
The report itself is fatally flawed; the error margins are significant (e.g. "a conservative
+/-10 percent"), critical controls were missing (e.g. "as much as 40 percent of an internet service performance could be lost [due to factors outside of our control]"), outrageous assumptions were used (e.g. "performance impact is considered minimal if between 10 and 20 percent") and perhaps most importantly of all, it's creator has an obvious conflict of interest. I don't consider it to be worth the paper it's [not] printed on.
Another deeply concerning development is government grants that would encourage ISPs to go beyond the mandatory filters, despite all censorship systems tested reporting 2.5-3.5% false positive rates (that is, where innocuous/legitimate content is filtered). To put that in perspective, the best part of a billion legitimate pages would be improperly filtered (according to Wikipedia stats), or around 1 page in 30.
Speaking of Wikipedia, many of the systems are hybrid which means that hosts known to be clean would be ignored by IP (which is much more efficient). If, however, even a single page were problematic then the entire site (and all others sharing its' IPs) would be forced through a filtering proxy. This would affect some of the most popular sites on the Internet (such as Wikipedia and YouTube), not to mention other increasingly useful services like WikiLeaks (no doubt silencing such services is seen as a fringe benefit to our self-appointed censors). Need I remind you that similar filters in Britain caused severe problems for Wikipedia over a single CD cover only last year.
Another consideration that has not been covered anywhere near enough is the performance impact on cloud computing services. Web interfaces like Facebook, Twitter and Gmail are extremely sensitive to latency introduced by proxies and raw computing services like Amazon's S3 are sensitive to bandwidth limitations. Then you have the problem of platforms like Google App Engine, Google Sites & Microsoft Web Office which are both difficult to identify (they have many IPs which are not disclosed and difficult if not impossible to enumerate) and which host content for a massive number of customers. If even one person shares a document deemed obnoxious to their sensibilities then the performance will be reduced to unacceptable levels for everyone until it is removed (and then some).
It is my contention that censorship is completely incompatible with cloud computing, and that this alone is reason enough to scuttle it. In the mean time Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) has just landed themselves a new life member and I encourage anyone who cares about their future and that of their children to join as well (my friends in the USA may want to take a look at the EFF and Europeans the FFII).
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