Internet filtering pilot announced: Six ISPs on board
- 12 February, 2009 12:32
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Communications minister, Stephen Conroy, has announced six ISPs will participate in the first phase of the Federal Government’s controversial plan to introduce mandatory filtering of Australia’s Internet feed.
The ISPs involved in the first phase of the live pilot are: Primus Telecommunications, Tech 2U, Webshield, OMNIconnect, Netforce and Highway 1, who have thrown their support behind the capabilities of filtering technology. The pilot will involve six weeks of testing once filtering equipment has been installed.
Enex Testlab has been contracted to run the pilot, but no specific starting dates have been announced.
The government said customers of participating ISPs would be able to choose whether they wanted to be included in the pilot trial. However, Webshield is an ISP whose business is based on providing “the best content filtering technology” and its subscribers already receive a filtered feed.
ISPs have been invited to take part in two pilot streams; filtering the ACMA blacklist of prohibited URLs; and filtering the ACMA blacklist of prohibited URLs in addition to content filtering solutions that may be offered as optional services by ISPs.
According to Senator Conroy, consultations continue with a number of other ISPs that have applied to take part. They include iiNet, Internode, Optus and others, some of whom have voiced concerns that the filtering tests will be watered-down and won’t represent real world conditions.
Telstra, the nation’s largest ISP, refused to participate in the trial, calling mandatory Internet filtering an attempt to boil the ocean.
Networking experts, SAGE, say broadband costs will rise and access speeds may suffer if the scheme goes ahead.
Senator Conroy said the government is aware of technical concerns about ISP filtering, and will look at the efficiency and effectiveness of a range of technical solutions, as well as other issues such as ease of circumvention, impact on Internet speeds and user experience.
“The live pilot will provide evidence on the real world impacts of ISP content filtering, including for providers and Internet users. It will provide evidence to assist the government in the implementation of its policy,” he said in a statement.
Conroy’s shadow, Senator Nick Minchin, was quick to respond to the government’s announcement, issuing his own statement criticising the delay in the trials which were originally scheduled to begin in December.
“It is also extremely puzzling why two of the nation’s three largest ISPs, Optus and iiNet, have not been included in the first phase of these trials, despite expressing a willingness to participate,” Minchin said.
Senator Conroy’s office said evaluation and consultation of each ISPs individual application to partake in the trials may result in some taking longer than others.
“Australia’s largest ISP, Telstra BigPond, has refused to participate and without the ‘big three’ it is difficult to see how these trials could in any way be credible,” Minchin said.
He called on Senator Conroy to commit to an independent audit of results.
Senator Conroy’s office said it will release publicly the Trial Report prepared by the department on the results of the pilot trial.
Security experts have claimed blacklists are the wrong approach to Internet filtering as they will only ever grow and can never remain current.
Scholars from Harvard, Cambridge and Oxford universities have labelled the proposal frightening, while other critics have called the scheme pointless as tech savvy Gen-Yers will quickly spread circumvention methods on social networks.
The proposal also sparked protests in capital cities around Australia.
(See Computerworld’s coverage of the December anti-filtering protests in Sydney.)
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This Scheme is idiotic and its what they DON'T tell you that you should really worry about.
Kiddie porn is fine to block - anything else is criminal and won't be tolerated by anyone with net skillz above the age of 6.
YA_BOY
"If it's not broken, don't fix it", why do these people feel the need to filter out internet, isn't there much bigger issues people should be worrying about rather then planning to take something more away from the general public...
YA_BOY
"If it's not broken, don't fix it", why do these people feel the need to filter out internet, isn't there much bigger issues people should be worrying about rather then planning to take something more away from the general public...
Borowicz
Idiot fascist politicians
Mr Conroy, Mr. KRudd, just go away, far away, and keep you hands off the Internet.
Bryan
blocking is one thing
... stopping it is another. The funds spent on this pointless filter would be far better spent on actual police efforts to stop the filth at the source.
The feel good effect the proposed filters will provide may win votes, but will do nothing to affect the exploitation they aim to prevent.
Bryan
blocking is one thing
... stopping it is another. The funds spent on this pointless filter would be far better spent on actual police efforts to stop the filth at the source.
The feel good effect the proposed filters will provide may win votes, but will do nothing to affect the exploitation they aim to prevent.
Mr M
another excuse...
KRudd is the new Whitlam.
I used to think this filtering was a great idea, reality is, the stuff that really needs to be filtered wont be, and legitimate access will be hampered.
The scary thing is, we will never know what legitimate information is being blocked.
Scary to think KRudd is using the Chinese government as a model.
SquirrelGrip
OK
Lets do nothing and let
OK
Lets do nothing and let these monsters feed freely on child porn.
Thats a really great idea. NOT
People against the filter obviously don't have kids affected by these creeps.
Oh some legit content might get block. So ^&**!!! what?
If it helps save one kid then bring it on. In reality if a legit website does find itself blocked then the web master probably needs to make minor changes.
I dont know why the filter isnt based of the DansGuardian filter it works brilliantly.It will allow parents to configure it to suit their need. But there should also be sites that are just blocked that cannot be added to the white list.
Then if a site finds itself on the "Super black list" then to bad. Its content is probably marginal at best anyway.
In the light of the idea behind the filter is to protect the kids .Personally id be very afraid of sticking my hand up publicly and try to make any valid reason for not having one. Because IMHO there simply isn't one.
BobP
Protecting kids?
I think it naive for anyone to believe that protecting kids is anywhere near the top ten reasons the government wants this mandatory Internet filter. This is likely first about money for big business, that is, control and copyright of music and movies, with the added bonus of handing politicians the ability to censor whatever else they want to prevent us from knowing about. There is also the very serious issue of freedom of speech and information. This filtering regime must NEVER be allowed to happen.
Anonymous
Holy Shit
does anyone here actually think that the 'clean feed' bullshit they are feeding us will help? or do you just not THINK at all.
thank god telstra said no to this. i hope the government realises how badly this will screw them over next election if it goes in. they might as well move to china already if they plan to really implement it. and i will shortly move to england.
isn't the government supposed to be representing what the PEOPLE want? it's about time they started listening and dropped this idea completely.
Anonymous
Be responsible for your own actions
There is plenty of software that you can buy that filters.
I don't see why the government has to step in when it's a parents responsibilty. I also don't see why I should have to pay more for the filter at slower speeds. I would also be not happy if I paid good money for a filter which may become null and void.
Anonymous
but the chinese arent retarded, there smart. i could visit every site when we went to china for holidays. (expect bloddy mininova.org).
any way the problem is that China's internet is VERY FAST due to they didn't have internet until now and have installed the latest technology while australia is still using 1998-2000 crap.
my internet download speed there was at least 6mb/sec and that was just a 3 star hotel then at holiday inn they speed was crazy.
im in australia now..... bloddy slow mere 120kb/sec. pathetic.
Rudd if ur going to use clean feed at least upgrade so that our internet dont become 2kb/sec download rate.
Anonymous
Make the internet even more expensive and even slower, to deal with a tiny minority of whack jobs? Stupid. Parents in Australia have a tendancy to keep a tight reign on their children only when it suits them...some $50 software that can run on each device they own that has internet access is far simpler than mobilising half the freakin' country's ISPs to do this for you!!!
People need to deal with their own problems not inflict them on others. Bottom line is the internet brings EVERYTHING within a few clicks reach, if you can't understand that, don't use it and don't let your kids use it.
oh and btw the "War on drugs" is a great example of how well country wide policing works for the underground - it will be the same for the disgusting world of child porn. Its funny that there are still many many drug problems in this country and its getting worse not better. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
No I don't believe in doing nothing, but this approach is stupid.
Anonymous
Any moronic government would criticize China's censorship regime then do it themselves.
Anonymous
Any moronic government would criticize China's censorship regime then do it themselves.
Anonymous
Wow, you really don't know much do you?
Wow, you're a bit of a techy idiot aren't you?
As has been pointed out by every industry expert, amateur, expert user and anybody with actual experience on the internet (as opposed to those who check mail and listen to the hype), finding child porn on the internet isn't a matter of surfing around or searching on Google. Child porn sites are generally invite only, and sit on private servers accessible only if "you know somebody who knows". Thence the clean feed won't affect those sites - they're already inaccessible by the majority of users. The real danger to children is from being groomed, stalked or otherwise contacted via chat sites or social networking areas (think Bebo, MySpace, Facebook, Livejournal, Wordpress - and the list goes on: any online gaming area, any blogging area, heck, even email). In other words: any time a human being might conceivably interact with another human being via the internet.
Those areas cannot be controlled by a clean feed. Monitoring those areas requires checks on a minute-by-minute basis. There is already a federally funded department that handles this - they work with an international task force (you might have noticed last year several high profile paedophile arrests - that was that task force working in partnership all over the world).
All this "clean feed" will do is make parents complacent in believing their children are safe on the internet and let them do whatever they want on it without monitoring their usage. Sort of like sticking a wall around an entire state and thinking that kidnappers can't jump it and make off with a kid. Or, as a better analogy: thinking that safety belts are all you need to keep you safe in a car and thence, speeding, drinking, taking drugs and driving dangerously so long as you wear a safety belt.
The "clean feed" is a political lie and it is promoted you will note by groups like Family First: who want to enforce a 'christian' outlook on society (one that is determined by whatever rendition their pastors decide is 'right'). Worse: it's a lie and will only make things worse, not better.
Anonymous
Internet filtering is a waste of time and money. You cannot block anything on the internet for more than a short time, there will always be a way around it. There are already ways around what they are about to force upon us as well. I am not talking about some high tech hacker trick either
There many ways to distribute objectionable material on the net, restricitng one method is not going to magically make it go away, it will just increase the distribution by other means. This is just like the alco pop tax, GOD THIS GOVERNMENT IS STUPID!
Bozo
Internet Filtering
What the Government will successfully filter out is access to alternative news sites ( non Main stream media ).
it will be like communist frickin China.
Too much Government contol in our lives. We need to fight back.
Bozo
Internet Filtering
What the Government will successfully filter out is access to alternative news sites ( non Main stream media news ).
it will be like communist frickin China.
Too much Government contol in our lives. We need to fight back.
Techie
Re: OK Lets do nothing
"Oh some legit content might get block. So ^&**!!! what? "
So your bank can't be accessed and you cannot get to your funds. Your company's website is blocked leading to a loss of orders and you being laid off.
"If it helps save one kid then bring it on." irrrespective of the loss of competiveness of Australian business, leading to greater unemployment, leading to MORE child abuse in the cash-strapped homes of Australians.
You really have been brainwashed by the government propaganda, haven't you.
Anonymous
@OK Lets do nothing
"People against the filter obviously don't have kids affected by these creeps."
Correct, many of us don't have kids! So why should we have to pay for implementing something which attempts to do what parents should already be doing themselves!
You seem to have found a solution to the problem already so why can't others simply take some responsibility and implement their own solution to thier own problem.
"Personally id be very afraid of sticking my hand up publicly and try to make any valid reason for not having one. Because IMHO there simply isn't one."
So you can't think of 1 single reason? (And why are you 'afraid'? Is the government onto you too?).
I can give you 10 reasons (posted in a a public forum no doubt!):
1. It costs money
2. It isn't proven technology
3. There's no guarantee it will work
4. There's no guarantee it can't be circumvented
5. It puts the government in a position to begin to censor other material
6. It may increase interet costs
7. It may slow down your internet access
8. The ISP's can't be seen as parents.
9. Do you honestly think the people accessing child pornography simply search in Google and go to a website to get it! How naive. The internet is not just the www, there's IRC, messageboards, usenet etc. The filter can't stop these services.
10. People like you who think there's a magic bullet that will solve all their parenting issues. You chose to have children, therefore you accept the responsibility. This would set a precedent. What's next?
Dave
Plain Stupid
This is BS, I don't have kids so why should my net feed be slowed? Why should I suffer due to Parents not in control of their net. After all it's up to the Parents who decide whether they get a pc or not, it's up to the Parents to if they conect to the net, so that means it is up to the Parents to monitor there kids.
If you have kids and say "oh but you don't understand cause you don't have kids yourself", please find a new excuse for your incompidence. And I can say that so easly, why you may ask? I know how to type into any search engine the following "web filter"... Get a Friging clue and take responsability for your own actions as ignorance is no excuse...Even in a court of law. That said the Govt- should lay of our freadom, peaple died for it and god help me I refuse to allow a goverment to take it away. Filtering = Slow connection regardless of the raw speed off the backbone of the net.
Again it's the Parents who need to be in control, but since most of you are stupid resulting in the Govt taking this action, let me help you the Parents:
Step one - take computer/s to your local pc shop and ask them to install K9 Web flitering. Go to step two
OR
Step one - Enter www.k9webprotection.com follow instructions on said website.
Step two - Use computer like normal.
Oh My God how simple was that? and the software is free too. Let this be a lession to Future Parents, Get a brain before reproducing.
Signed...KeepingMyFreadom, Dave.
bill of n.s.w
Internet censorship
Australian politicians are the Smart Arses of the world and there got nothing.
Anonymous
You've got the concept half right
Dear "Ok Lets do nothing" you have got the idea have right.
As you suggest why not use DansGuardian?
Yes, we should allow parents to have web filters so that they can control/monitor what their kids are up to...oh but hang on the current government just axed that program! Yes they decided that as so few parents downloaded and updated the government backed and freely available personal web filter they should shut it down...but that is not all, they also cut funds from the Federal Police taskforce aimed at child porn.
So ask yourself, just how serious are they about protecting your kids?
- they stop supporting a free web filter for homes before they have a "solution" to the dangers.
- they cut funds to the agency whose task is to hunt out the dangerous people on the internet
- they continually use wooly language when describing what exactly they wish to filter, the term "unwanted" has arisen many times. "Illegal" is fine - as the law of the land enforces it and takes an act of parliment to change, but "unwanted" is particularily worrying.
- the proposed filter does not block peer-to-peer traffic, which is 90% of web traffic today, but simply web sites.
You answered your own questions. Concerned parents should install home based filters, and if they don't they shouldn't be putting their hand up and telling the rest of us what to do.
(Btw - I too am a parent, and will not be trusting a government managed filter!)
Anonymous
If this filter is based on the chinese system, is it being implemented and paid for as a kick back to the chinese in some politcal deal?
Parents aren't allowed to discipline thier children, they can not smack them for fear of acusations of physical abuse.
They can't shout at them or remove privledges for fear of acusations of emotionally damaging thier children.
Just send them to thier room with the playstation and tv and ipod and computer with the internet, but wait until you get home to do that, because if you do that in public somebody else will get offended and report you for that too.
Then when the kid grows up and runs off the rails, then it is the parents fault.
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